With that assumption, there is no reason at all to think there were two Jeramiah's or Isiah's, etc. "Sorry for the silly story, but the point is this. However, nothing is in fact perfect, and certainly realism is not the exception. Is there a brightline rule of thumb? Her findings were based on the absence of a specific kind of pottery, and many years after her study, they found the pottery in another section of the city. I think it's safe to say that Judaism is by far the most rational of the three. Depending on when Gotleib read or quoted the article, he might have been correct. (And although I don’t know of anyone who rejects this system, doing so may arguably label one as a poresh min hatzibur, which the Rambam (see Hilchos Teshuva 3:11) says is itself ein lo cheilek l'olam habah!) I'm put in mind of one of Mohammed's followers whose camel wandered off. If that were the case, there wouldn't be a difference between rationality and messorah. OMG, keeping halacha 'just in case' G-d cares! Lop yer head off! Second you have to justify why every other section is. "At one point, archeologists had 20,000 cuneiform tablets translated and published, but another 80,000 weren't, and that number keeps growing with new discoveries. I am talking about explaining a piece of evidence that we all can see and look at. ""A herring""But herring isn't purple""Nu? I hope your readers will like it, too:From GK Chesterton: If you argue with a madman, it is extremely probable that you will get the worst of it; for in many ways his mind moves all the quicker for not being delayed by the things that go with good judgment. If you take a non literal approach to those events, then on what to you base your belief that the Torah is the word of God? The whole secret of mysticism is this: that man can understand everything by the help of what he does not understand. Yet, by Moshe's time there were many languages spoken in the lands mentioned in Genesis. Empiricism claims that experience can show whether a phenomenon repeats itself and therefore it abides by certain laws or it happened randomly, … Why did God plagiarize from Hammurabi? Re: Rationalism and it's limitations by The Dharma Bum » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:30 am rationalism is the idea that reason is how new knowledge is acquired, contrast that with empiricism which is the idea that experience is how new knowledge is acquired and skepticism which is the idea that new knowledge is acquired through doubt and thorough testing And even those findings which seem to be agaisnt the mesora at first glance should be analyzed from the primary finding to see if there is a consistent, non-preposterous theory of how this finding can fit the mesora, and if there is, then it is not evidene agianst anything.In terms of archeology we have situations like that of Jericho where it was "discovered" that it was destroyed too early for the Israelites to have done it, only to be "undiscovered" many years later by digging around a bit more. נעויתי משמוע נבהלתי מראות אנשים מבני ישראל וכתבו על ספר האפיקורוסו' הזה. "That will be the topic of a future post. (The nation as a whole is given the number 600, the tribal divisions are 12 (even though there are 14 divisions of the nation in actuality.. the 10 children of Yaakov, Ephraim, Menesha, Leviim and Cohanim), cycles are given the number 7, leadership or transformations are given the number 40 etc etc.. All the numbers in tanach follow motifs, or deviate from them in a specific way which leads to another motif. Which is not to be conflated with a story that has extraneous details changed as facts are pointed out. I could just delude myself about that also. Here, too, I place limits on the practical implications of my independence in terms of action. Cultural assumptions are often accepted for motivational reasons (e.g., otherwise you'd be ostracized by your community, which is decidedly uncomfortable), or for rationalist reasons (e.g., from experience we've learned that trusting our cultural assumptions is a good bet, so why not do so here too?). Thank you! It Generates A Set Of Unquestionable Facts B. That added up to 100 talents (300,000 shekel) and 1,775 shekel. Realism has been long claimed by its followers to be the ablest theory of international relations to comprehend the world’s reality. 2. Let's start with rationalism:First of all, most world religions are out (including all the Eastern religions, from what I understand), since they don't predict doom for members of other religions. But, by the way, there's a huge difference between saying that "yetziyat mitzrayim didn't happen as described in the pashut peshat of the Torah" and "Matan Torah never happened.". That rationalism is sufficiently widespread that I have no problem with finding errors in history, mathematics, and nature in the talmud or Rishonim, or in interpreting the torah text in an independent fashion. "?You started talking about "material evidence" and then you say "argumentation". Logic is one source of wisdom. It Relies On Non-experimental Methods C. It Lacks A Theoretical Framework D. All Of The Above 2. Unless there is something I'm missing? You must drink one of them. I heard a speech by Prof. Moshe Sokol a few years ago, where he argued that according to many academics, there is no field of Jewish philosophy. If I did, I wouldn't have much of a family either!However....what I THINK...that's another matter. Well-written comments in the spirit of this enterprise will be posted; please include a name (even a pseudonym). This essentially takes the form of Pascal's Wager, which, with minor modifications, should actually tell us to choose Orthodox Judaism over every other religion, despite any rational arguments to the contrary.Taken all together, I think these three reasons (cultural assumptions, personal experiences, and Pascal's Wager), together with Discovery-style rationalist proofs, are an extremely powerful argument in favor of belief. They point out parallels and they make subjective statements about the event. Although it does not go into detail, he does have an article about reconciling archaelogy and the TANACH" , a very interesting article on the meaning of the world "Ivri" (a "Hebrew") and other interesting things. However, there is always a current "expert opinion". Cultural assumptionsThe argument here would be as follows: Assuming you grew up with Judaism as a culturally-imbibed assumption, and assuming that you don't have very strong arguments (rational or motivational) to the contrary, then you should believe in Judaism according to your own criteria for belief - just as you'd believe other assumptions given to you by your culture.I'm aware that this can be debated, since we don't always blindly accept assumptions given to us by our culture, but at the very least it can be combined with other lines of reasoning as a strong argument in favor of belief.Experiential beliefThe argument here would be almost identical to the previous one: Assuming you have had an experience that makes Judaism feel "true" to you, and assuming that you don't have very strong arguments (rational or motivational) to the contrary, then you should believe in Judaism according to your own criteria for belief - just as you'd believe other things you "feel" to be true.This line of reasoning has been argued in various places on the web (see for example - start from the earliest post), so I'm not going to discuss it in depth. Gamble in life cannot be totally averted through rationalism. Empiricism and Its Limitation This paper will discussed throw some lights on the limits of modern empiricism. of empiricism? Sure, any piece of music could be associated with any character or concept, but specific ones are chosen, and then kept for the duration of the piece. Nor is the numerical difference between the original census of the adult male Israelites at the beginning and end of their stay in the desert of much significanse. Must have been other languages. In other words, you can say: "according to your own self-accepted criteria for belief, you would accept the following as true. That was the operational legal system. "For instance, the origin of languages related in the tower of Babel story need not refer to origin of all languages - just those spoken by Semitic peoples, i.e., the descendants of Noah's sons. There seems to me to exist a sort of rationalism which, by not recognizing [the] limits of the powers of individual reason, in fact tends to make human reason a less effective instrument than it could be…[T]he best name for this kind of naïve rationalism is rationalist constructivism. To all right-wingers who are saying to R. Slifkin that it's unacceptable to use allegory or broaden the theological tent in any way, etc. It is a view which in the social sphere has…wrought immeasurable harm [.] Most of the things he has there are in Hebrew, andn if you can read that he has a section of articles called something like "TANACH and History". (among other things)"Isn't it obvious? "I'm very far from an expert in this topic but last I know the story is exactly the opposite. Those are also out, since they're certainly less plausible than other religions. "It's not always possible to tell people to shut their minds off. The Spanish Rationalists didn't either. A critical analysis of modern empiricism especially the Humeans and Kantians shows that it culminates in scepticism, Subjectivism and ag-nosticism. We can be rationalists in mathematics or a particular area of mathematics and empiricists in all or some of the physical sciences. It was further given to the prophets, from which we derive many halachot. Type Article Author(s) Graham Hillard Date 31/03/2010 Volume 68 Issue 2 Page start 140 Page end 143 DOI 10.1080/00144941003723931 OpenURL Check for local electronic subscriptions Is part of Journal Title The Explicator ISSN 0014-4940 EISSN 1939-926X Short title The Explicator. I would argue that Rationalism is the only plausible view. Unabhängig davon, dass diese ab und zu nicht ganz objektiv sind, bringen die Bewertungen im Gesamtpaket eine gute … On the other hand, there's a small chance that it contains a magical potion that will grant you great wealth, perfect happiness, and immortality. For details see Rabbi Gottlieb's sources/shiur on archeology. If R. Elyashiv meant that one must examine the context and the results of a particular belief, then both cases have a similarity. With a little work I'm sure you can find thousands of bits which say "No matter how you slice it it's baloney".On another note, there are problem with saying "Absolutely all of it is literal except this one piece over here." First, you have to justify why that one section isn't. Moreover, the census was taken by counting half-shekels given by each member. Why do languages predate their supposed origination with the Tower of Babel? Also, I've always understood that the revelation at Har Sinai was the strongest reason for believing in the divinity of the Torah. Using Rationalism as a Tool for Understanding Ourselves in the World . Regarding allegorically interpreting Yitziyas Mitzrayim, the Exodus from Egypt, he expresses some reservations about saying it is forbidden categorically but argues that it is “safek heresy” since whatever would cause one to interpret Yitziyas Mitzrayim allegorically would logically compel one to do so with Matan Torah. Under normal circumstances our senses do not lie and the more we repeat something the better idea we have of it. (PDF), Messianic Wonders and Skeptical Rationalists (PDF), The Most Fascinating Rabbi You've Never Heard Of. "You started talking about "material evidence" and then you say "argumentation". Since some of these changes are unknown, researchers use calibration curves based on tree-rings to adjust the dates. However, there is a small chance that it contains a terrible poison that will cause you unspeakable torture and agony every second of every day for the next 100 years. Which brings us to our second issue: "Lastly (sic), you are conflating a story that is changed as evidence appears, and a story that has long been in existence. But if one’s rebbi and/or research tells them to act or believe in a certain manner, then according to everybody one has the right to do so. Where there is no such contradictory physical evidence, I see no reason to veer from the evident implication of the text. Which is not to be conflated with a story that has extraneous details changed as facts are pointed out. [to be continued ...]. The correct use of intuition and emotion is another. Rationalism suggests that people are born with innate ideas, truths in a particular subject area (such as math concepts) that are part of out rational nature and we only have to bring them to the surface. 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I think it is a very good guideline for teachers to follow, as long as they understand that not everything always goes according to plan and that depending on your classroom you … What other sciences would even deal with the event of the giving of the Torah other than archeology?If you refer to statements in the Torah not being in concruance with science, that is hardly a large threat considering the multitude of interpretations in the mesora about such things. At what point do you reach the proper limits of faith and reason? Why on earth should we apply reason and logic to evaluating if evolution is compatable with Torah, but not apply at least the same level of reason and logic to making sure the Torah is true. ANONYMOUS COMMENTS WILL NOT BE POSTED - please use either your real name or a pseudonym. 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